But it’s more just a line that represents a lot of things. But it was more like the mood and the vibe around, Yo, this man is the greatest! Really? The greatest? It hurt me. I’m really not more of a liberal than I am a Republican - I’m in the middle. And by the way, I’m grateful to be in a country where everyone can have their own political views.
You never feel better for having written something like that. Here’s the thing: I don’t want to elicit a response. You performed at his wedding and also called him out for his support of President Trump on Twitter.
You have the line “Kanye West is blonde and gone,” which is tinged with a similar nostalgia. We were trying to get into this secret bar they had on the East Side and no one would ever let us in. I was thinking of when I was 19, 20, 21 and had my first real boyfriends in this apartment and just listening to Kings of Leon, that song “Milk,” or like White Stripes and the Strokes. It’s more about the concept of actually just chilling and listening to music for no reason. On “The Greatest,” you sing about missing rock ’n’ roll. Or do you feel like you started something and people are biting you? I also really love hip-hop, so seeing such an influx of little mumble rappers coming out and being so sexy and authentic - one of the little dudes wants to wear a dress onstage and everyone’s clapping their hands like, “Bravo!”ĭo you see a generation of younger women making music who feel influenced by you? And then Ariana’s choices of intonation, it might not be traditional, but it’s very good.
I needed to hear one line of one melody and I just know. I can tell if a female pop singer, for instance, has a generosity of spirit or a playful fire in her heart. I love Billie Eilish, and I feel like I’ve been waiting for this time in pop-music culture. It’s more like on Instagram, I’ll see someone have a clip of a song and then I’ll go on YouTube. I don’t keep up with the charts, but do I have the radio on? Ehhh. How do you feel about the state of mainstream pop right now? Is that something you keep up with - the radio, Spotify, Billboard? Every song, I was like, how did she write that? So when she asked me to do the “Charlie’s Angels” feature, I was like, “All right, if you really want me to!” And then “Thank U, Next” came out and I freaking loved that record. I got her number at some point and we would chat. I had been listening to “Dangerous Woman” a lot. How do you decide when you want to dip in, like doing the “Charlie’s Angels” song with Miley Cyrus and Ariana Grande?įirst of all, I really, really like Ariana. You dabble in pop, but at the same time, aren’t really a part of it. I wasn’t really thinking about the Taylor album and then it came out and then I was like, “Oh wow.” I didn’t really realize these were a week apart. Sometimes people want more from you than what you are giving, so let me step up to the plate a little bit and show up for my songs. But I do have to sometimes snap out of it and be like, oh, music changes, culture changes. My plan is having no plan, pretty much all the time, which actually works out very well for me. I’m mostly at the beach! So, yeah, I was like, I better leave the house and go do something. Well, it certainly makes me think more about what the I’m doing with my life. Is there anything intimidating about putting out a Jack-produced album at the same time as Taylor Swift ? He plays the sitar on one of the last things we did! I feel like what I can do in terms of grabbing a melody out of the air, he can do with a very minor chord progression and just like, mmm, magical. I know a lot of producers who can’t play. But I didn’t even ask.ĭo you have a theory as to why so many female artists are drawn to working with him? The only thing I really thought about, toward the end, was that I’d like to have a woman from the ’60s just to add a little good luck magic. No, but honestly, inside the room, with Jack, he’s so much of a large presence that he took up as much of the space as I did. Did you consciously want to pull back again? You’ve become a pop star without interacting with or sounding much like your contemporaries, but on your last album, you worked with ASAP Rocky, the Weeknd and Max Martin. These are edited excerpts from the conversation.
Over the phone from a friend’s house in California, where she finds it easier to get things done, Del Rey, 34, spoke easily, with sly humor and many giggles, about a range of subjects, from her creative process and Antonoff to Kanye West, Donald Trump and the dearth of protest music. Providing a good idea of where her head is at these days, Del Rey, in song, also references John Lennon, Led Zeppelin, the Beach Boys, David Bowie and Crosby, Stills & Nash, while maintaining flashes of Fiona Apple and Cat Power, a spiritual forebear and recent collaborator.
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